Fragen aus dem heutigen Spiel 09.02.2003

[Cailean]

Heute sind bei unserem Spiel folgende Fragen aufgetaucht, und ich dachte mir ich teile die Antworten mal mit allen die es interressiert.
Also:
1. Kann eine Ancient Influence/Political Stranglehold später im Spiel noch einmal gespielt werden, wenn sie mit Delaying Tactics gecancelt wurde?
-Nein-

Luis P. Duarte wrote:
>
> I have 4 questions to ask:
>
> 1. If i play a Giant's Blood and my prey plays Sudden Reversal,
> can i play another GB late?

No. Canceling the card's effect doesn't mean the card wasn't played.

> 2. If i discard a GB after a Death of my Conscience to get +2 hand
> damage, can i play another GB late?

Yes. Discarding or burning the card from your hand doesn't count
as playing it.

> 3. If i play an Ancient Influence and my prey plays Delaying Tactics,
> can i play another AI late?

No.

> 4. If i play an Ancient Influence to get 1 vote during another PA,
> can i call an Ancient Influence late?

Yes (you "burn" the Ancient Influence - 6.3.3.1)

--
L. Scott Johnson (vtesrep@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast.
Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules:
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2.Kann nach einer Delaying Tactics vom selben Vampir eine andere politische Aktion durchgeführt werden?
-Nein-

Lupus Australis wrote:
>
> On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, James Hamblin wrote:
>
> > Nah. Delaying Tactics is pretty solid vote defense. It may seem like
> > only a one turn stay of execution, but it keeps the vote from being
> > called for the whole turn, and with NRA they can't vote with that
> > vampire again either.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do not believe that NRA is applicable to
> Delaying Tactics. Last I heard, NRA only applies to actions which
> resolve, (ie. was either successful, or blocked), and not to actions that

Delaying Tactics cannot be played until the action resolves (i.e.,
remains unblocked) due to the "only usable during a political action"
card text. As such, the acting minion is prohibited from taking
another political action this turn (by the NRA rule).

This was ruled explicitly in RTR 970630:

7) Delaying Tactics doesn't pretend that the political action was never
taken; it simply cancels the voting process. Thus, it does not allow the
acting minion to overcome the "no repeated action" rule, assuming that rule
is in effect.

> are cancelled before this can be determined, Direct Interventioned, or
> Masked to another Vampire.

Direct Intervention cancels the action card before the action can
be taken (note the "remains untapped" instruction regarding the
acting minion).

Mask has been ruled to "pass on" the NRA restriction to the new
acting vampire, so that the original acting minion is not restricted.

> I'm not sure how this applies to Change of Target, which also cancels an
> action (but after the block).

Same as Delaying Tactics - the acting minion cannot attempt the same
type of action again this turn.

--
L. Scott Johnson (vtesrep@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast.
Searchable database of official card text, errata, and rulings:
http://deckserver.net/cgi-deckserver/ru ... owersearch

Jaja es sind immer dieselben Sachen, die einen ins Grübeln bringen
bis denne
SoS

[Johannes]

Wusste ich doch, dass man nach einem DI noch mal eine Vote (sogar die selbe) machen kann, wie Michael auf der Mailingliste bereits richtig bemerkte.

Dass man das Political Stranglehold nach einem Delaying Tactics dann für den Rest des Spiels nicht mehr spielen kann wusste ich nicht. Auf jeden Fall wichtig zu wissen.

[Andreas Nusser]

A card is considered to have been "played" even if its effects are
cancelled
by Direct Intervention.

Example 1: Akhenaten can "play" an Ex Nihilo necromancy action card.
The card is put on him, and has no further effect on Akhenaten as he
is only a
vampire while "playing" the card, not while the card is in the game or
while
the card is on him.
Example 2: An Ancient Influence is attempted by Raven and a Direct
Intervention is played on the card. No other Ancient Influence votes
can be
called that game because the first one was "played", only
the effects and card text were cancelled.
Example 3: A bleeding action is not blocked and Gloria Giovanni
attempts
to increase the bleed with Conditioning. If the Conditioning card is
cancelled
by Direct Intervention, she can play other action modifiers to
increase the
bleed, but cannot play another Conditioning because she has already
"played"
one on this action.
(See the definition of action modifiers in section 1.6.3.2
of the online rulebook.)

Also doch keine Vote mehr spielbar?

Andreas

[Cailean]

snip...
Example 2: An Ancient Influence is attempted by Raven and a Direct
Intervention is played on the card. No other Ancient Influence votes
can be
called that game because the first one was "played", only
the effects and card text were cancelled.
snip...
Also doch keine Vote mehr spielbar?

Andreas

Gilt nur für Karten, die nur einmal pro Spiel gespielt werden dürfen. (Ancient Influence, Political Stanglehold, Giants Blood) Die Karte ist nämlich "gespielt" und erfüllt somit die Voraussetzungen fürs nicht mehr gespielt werden dürfen.
Da aber die Action vor der Block-option gecancelt wird kann bei allen anderen Votes die NRA nicht greifen. Man kann also die gleiche oder eine andere Vote in der gleichen Runde mit dem gleichen Vampir spielen.
(LSJ-Logik; siehe erster Beitrag dieses Themas, ist allerdings ziemlich versteckt!)
SoS